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PostSubject: GWH 1/48 P61 Black Widow "Glassnose" Complete!!   Thu Feb 14, 2013 4:13 pm

Here is the Great Wall Hobbies new tool P61A

Will be OOB and Olive Drab over Neutral Grey camo -



And here we go............
Annoyingly the kit has not got rotating props - I hate that with a passion!

It also tells you to add a nose weight, shown on the instruction sheet is a molded weight that fits in front of the bulkhead behind the radar - it's not supplied in the kit!

First off I addressed the non rotating props.
Simple fix really, cut off the prop pin and drill a hole through, make a shaft from scrap spru, and a locking donut




The next thing was one tedious step, cutting off all those molding pins from part I31 for the opened rad flaps, just to get it out of the way.

Curious to see how the engine all fitted together I assembled one and held it together with blu tac, Pe piece to go on later, but with the cowling on you can't see any of the nice detail


So I got creative........



And the props spin perfect!


One of the first things I found about this kit is you have to be extra careful cutting the pieces from the spues as alot of the pieces are thin and finely detailed, with multiple attachment points the first piece was broken which was a support piece for the pilots seat.

going back to my first review pics shows the broken piece first time out of the bag


some of the parts are very fine, these are the arm rests for the gunners seat


one neat idea the GWH kit has is this plastic sheet on both sides of the Pe which allows you to cut the Pe part straight through the plastic leaving the free Pe piece right there - no Scud Missile!
Just peel back the plastic, remove the cut Pe piece, then reseat the plastic sheet ready for the next time


my total for one night! this could be a very slow build!



Working out the two zinc chromate colours in the fuselage I noticed this decal,



expand it to full size,

now the letters read

LOOKATTHATE CAT SWE PRODUC

PEOPLESWEETDGROT

break it up and remove the e and s, add ed and you get
lOOK AT THAT CAT WE PRODUCed


very strange!!!

as for the other one - it beats me!!!




Latest progress on this, impressions - plastic reminds me of Classic Airframes - very soft - one has to be careful with sanding.

Cutting parts from sprues - Much care and thinking how to do it - cut willy nilly - you got probs!

I made the pics 2000 pixels so you can have a good look at the joins

wig to boom outside - ok, a little squeezing with the fingers while the Ca glue grabs and holds needed - the gear bulkheads need a bit shaved off but have to be careful you don't start cutting into the detail



wing to boom inside - a bit of a step, sanded lightly to clean up a little but a fair amount of detail there, it will be hard to spot I think when all joined up to the fuselage, left it alone.


wing to boom Top - a bit of a step, it sands down easy, again care needed with the plastic, also you need to check your join on the rear wing inside of the flaps as the glue grabs


wing to boom inside - another view to show the fit -


Boom seam - nice fit joins very nice, you also need to trap the movable rudder when gluing these together, instructions are rather vague to tell you the best way of attaching the rudders, either when the booms are together, then join the two pieces of rudders, or do the rudders first then trap them between the booms, i did the later.

Point to remember, with the gear well sidewalls you must align these carefully otherwise one edge will stick out and the other will push in, you can align this when gluing the two booms together - i glued the well after the booms were together after the discovery of gluing it in to one side first - :bur2:

Note - the Ailerons are ONE piece with two T attachments, these must be put in before gluing the wing together!


completed wing to stb fuse bottom - Dry fitted only
fit is how you see it, slight gap front and rear


completed wing to stb fuse top - Dry fitted only
fit is how you see it, slight gap front and rear



and the completed radar dry fitted to bulkhead- a few wires needed I think!! :biggrin:

I have lots of sub assemblies going, this kit is not to be rushed, dry fitting is essential IMO, I have found that a lot of the joining pin holes need re drilling out, and some joining pins shortening, injection pin marks are prevalent I guess it's up to the builder to decide whether to remove or leave, some won't be seen, some will.

Now for the port boom/wing assembly...!


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PostSubject: Re: GWH 1/48 P61 Black Widow "Glassnose" Complete!!   Thu Feb 14, 2013 7:17 pm

That is some strange writing in those cockpit placards!!! Love the detail in this thread Phil - very informative - I love it. Will be watching you weave your magic on this one.
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PostSubject: Re: GWH 1/48 P61 Black Widow "Glassnose" Complete!!   Sat Feb 16, 2013 3:22 pm

Cheers Geoff!
I got the ''green chromate'' parts done today going by this photo colours this is what I came up with


It will do me fine, I added a couple of drops of Testors (very light!!) ZCGreen to Humbrol 117




started detailing the parts tonight, more soon

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PostSubject: Re: GWH 1/48 P61 Black Widow "Glassnose" Complete!!   Sat Feb 16, 2013 4:24 pm

need to find a pop corn eating smiley
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PostSubject: Re: GWH 1/48 P61 Black Widow "Glassnose" Complete!!   Sat Feb 16, 2013 5:48 pm

jugjunkie wrote:
need to find a pop corn eating smiley

lol!

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PostSubject: Re: GWH 1/48 P61 Black Widow "Glassnose" Complete!!   Tue Feb 26, 2013 3:29 pm

meanwhile - photobucket has upgraded - now a user is limited to a pathetic 1024 max pixel size which sucks shit.

some progress on the pit detailing, a little more painting to do


now what's this you may think.......


it's the small ''top of the T'' radar piece that goes onto the radar dish - GWH molded it as a one piece ''T'' part - which snapped of as i gently brushed it - and it was gone.

Being such a small part I looked over the workspace and didn't find it - couldn't be bothered trying to search the carpet for the thing - I just scratched another one.

so that is a scratch made bit and ready to go onto the pole I made up which has been attached to the dish.



I also added some wires and some made up cabling.

Tried Chuk's method of making cable fasteners from thin metal foil

Now for some strange reason there are things in the modelling world one cannot explain.

Just before I the part snapped and took off into the wide blue yonder, I painted one of the cables red.

Did you spot anything unusual??

I didn't until I painted a bit of black on the red cables ends.

The unexplainable!

follow the dots to the arrow head!

The circled one is my scratch made part


there is the snapped off radar dish T piece - stuck fast to the red paint!!!

WTF !!! or more to the point HTF did it fly there and stick to that wet paint is beyond me!!!

I think that is enough cables for the radar unit - which is now under lock and key until it gets fitted!!!






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this thing is now the number one official biggest PITA tailsitter I've ever had the displeasure of building!.

Reading weight requirements of less than 16 grams in a 72nd version, this needs - 55 grams Minimum!! to hold it down on the front wheel.

as it is in the pics it just stays put, but the problem, there is no way you can fit all those lead balls into the space shown by GWH to add the weight.

It is clear now why they didn't supply the shown molded weight pictured on the instructions - it didn't work so they deleted it from the kit.

It is supposed to fit between the back of the IP and back of the radar bulkhead - nadda! no way possible for 55 grams = 6 lead balls.

The available space given to add weight would fit a max 2 of those lead balls, hammered down to a shape.

With the glass nose that shows the radar array, putting lead in there to be seen would be just plain stupid.

The only thing I can think of is to mount this onto a small dio board with fixed attachments to all three wheels.





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Please excuse my crude drawings!
I've lined up the wing to the fuse join position so you can see the Centre of Gravity - red line vertical is about it.

you can see up front where GWH shows you to place the nose weight - #2 is the space they give, dotted line is the radar bulkhead, and IP sits where the short red line is.

55g of lead to fit there......

W is where you could pack in the lead, but I suspect being further back to the rear just how many extra grams of lead would be needed!.



Here are the main gear leg attachment points - two small pins X that go into precut hollows in the bay,the arrow points to a glue join, and believe me it's not that strong!

1 is a point where I intend to apply glue for a bit more strength - not shown by GWH as a glue point.



here you can see just how tiny those attachment pins are, I am thinking about replacing them with brass tube for more strength.

This is also adds fuel to the fire on just how much added weight these would take.



the dotted line shows how critical the fit needs to be when gluing in the gear bay, my mistake here was not aligning it with the other nacelle half dry fitted to check before the Ca glue hardened, will have to add a thin piece of plastic to cover the dotted line area and give some strength to the exposed pin


front wheel attachment points are not much better, again four small pins to support the weight, and I did glue that front support plate wrong - fixed now


I think if I added sufficient weight to the available areas the model would weight a tonne! so my thoughts of a small dio board with the three wheels fixed is looking good to me at the moment!

have ordered this, which I will set in a picture frame or make up a smaller board like my large ones.
http://www.bnamodelworld.com/aircraft/aircraft-aftermarket-sets/for-aircraft-1-48/tarmac-display-base/1-48-psp-coloured-pre-painted-model-pad-400x300mm

which I think will look rather good with some modelling sand scattered over it and a few added extras, jeep, figs etc.

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I played around with weights again today to see just how much it would take - gave up once it started to droop in various places - the mask tape wouldn't hold it together!!

It will be fixed to the board, so the weight prob is fixed for now.

Started the guns - the two 20mm on the left are just black basecoat, right two have been ''metalized'', the 50 cal has just been started


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PostSubject: Re: GWH 1/48 P61 Black Widow "Glassnose" Complete!!   Tue Feb 26, 2013 4:21 pm

Ho leee shite...
Ive seen a few pics of these kits and was quite impressed and it sure looks as if yours is going to be just as impressive.

Although I see nothing wrong with your nose weight arrangementaround the nose, perhaps the dio board is better (yup, i know sweet jack about planes)

Lurking deep in the Darkside Stash, I have an old Monogram P61 still sealed in its box for me to attempt at some point in life, dont think ill bother now...


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PostSubject: Re: GWH 1/48 P61 Black Widow "Glassnose" Complete!!   Tue Feb 26, 2013 5:21 pm

MAD STEVE wrote:
Ho leee shite...
Ive seen a few pics of these kits and was quite impressed and it sure looks as if yours is going to be just as impressive.

Although I see nothing wrong with your nose weight arrangementaround the nose, perhaps the dio board is better (yup, i know sweet jack about planes)

Lurking deep in the Darkside Stash, I have an old Monogram P61 still sealed in its box for me to attempt at some point in life, dont think ill bother now...


AWWW common Steve, looking at this amazing job Phil's doing, it must surely make you want to grab that box and tuck in clown
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PostSubject: Re: GWH 1/48 P61 Black Widow "Glassnose" Complete!!   Tue Feb 26, 2013 7:26 pm

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MAD STEVE wrote:
Ho leee shite...
Ive seen a few pics of these kits and was quite impressed and it sure looks as if yours is going to be just as impressive.

Although I see nothing wrong with your nose weight arrangementaround the nose, perhaps the dio board is better (yup, i know sweet jack about planes)

Lurking deep in the Darkside Stash, I have an old Monogram P61 still sealed in its box for me to attempt at some point in life, dont think ill bother now...


AWWW common Steve, looking at this amazing job Phil's doing, it must surely make you want to grab that box and tuck in clown

go away you horrible man... Shocked

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PostSubject: Re: GWH 1/48 P61 Black Widow "Glassnose" Complete!!   Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:24 pm

Give it a go Steve - you have one big advantage - the nose on your kit is not clear - so you can pack in up to 16 grams and it's sweet!


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PostSubject: Re: GWH 1/48 P61 Black Widow "Glassnose" Complete!!   Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:56 am

Phil wrote:
Give it a go Steve - you have one big advantage - the nose on your kit is not clear - so you can pack in up to 16 grams and it's sweet!


I bought this kit years and years ago, because I remember, as a 'ufe, seeing it in a Monogram catalogue and thinking that this is now the bees knees..., even though I wasnt too keen on planes back then. Think I recall someone telling me as well that there was a Verlinden update set (old Francois was my god in those days) and that was it for me, wet dream in a box...
And there, almost 12 years later, it still sits in the cupboard, unopened...
Maybe if I get my hands on the Verlinden kit, maybe.... The Monogram kit has lots of openy things and doodahs and wotsits that are on display, and its all black (bonus).
Now if i can just get the dozen or so other things off my desk, maybe I can consider it...

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PostSubject: Re: GWH 1/48 P61 Black Widow "Glassnose" Complete!!   Fri Mar 01, 2013 2:49 pm

well finally some enjoyment - a bit anyway.
This chinese plastic is bloody pathetic, while fixing the 20mm cannon in the bays tonight the front support just broke for no reason, at least it made fixing the guns in a bit easier.





not really much progress, the Pe belt set is one horrible set, like the plastic is breaks without warning.

The super detailed engine Pe piece is something I just can't describe - try bloody impossible to fix - even thread into the double row cylinders of the engine.

I'm hoping Hobby Boss kits are not the same as this GWH kit - plastic wise.


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PostSubject: Re: GWH 1/48 P61 Black Widow "Glassnose" Complete!!   Sat Mar 02, 2013 2:25 pm

Looks like it's putting up a fight Phil, but it's good to see you bashing the Bastard into submission!
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PostSubject: Re: GWH 1/48 P61 Black Widow "Glassnose" Complete!!   Sat Mar 02, 2013 5:07 pm

Hi Phil

Apart from your fantastic modelling... I like your style.
You tell it like it is, call a spade a spade.

Looks good so far, like the cockpit.

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PostSubject: Re: GWH 1/48 P61 Black Widow "Glassnose" Complete!!   Mon Mar 04, 2013 9:11 am

Thanks Geoff and Steve,
yes that's the only way to be with this hobby, no good going oooh and ahhh it's so good go buy it!!!! if this is the best they can offer, and I have been careful putting this together, checking, dry fitting, countless times, even more than a Classic Airframes limited run kit - then having these fit probs, there must be something very wrong - and I'm sure it's not me!!! lol!


Anyways...

My lighting screwed up tonight, the yellow shows very harsh, so just discount that.

pit, guns, radar op compartments in now, I'm not bothering with more weathering this thing inside, each time you bump something it breaks.


This has serious fit problems when attaching the port fuse section, the 20mm guns need to be threaded thru the gun holes and an act of contortion need to align the two halves -( wait! - there's another part just broken as I do this...... :poop: )

By this method? of chinese engineering I may have to dry fit the two halves first, even then they don't sit together thanks to misaligned pin and hole locations, then add the glue in sections to get the deed done.





the ip gives three sliders with no levers??? so added leftover Pe levers, guessing they are for the landing gear.







the ip - all those dial decals are singles - what a nightmare to - each one needed trimming right to the dial, otherwise the oversized clear backing looked like a dogs behind on the panel.

All detail painting with Humbrol enamels


the front gear leg and access hatch must be attached at this stage, the gear leg is trapped between the gear bay and fuse side, access hatch by the gear bay and pit floor - another pain as I had glued the frail thin ladder to the door - as per instructions - how it was to survive masking and painting is beyond me - so I drilled out the glue holes and freed the ladder, for some insane reason it didn't break :yahoo:


that front gear leg now has a Ca glued long brass rod inserted inside it now and thru the gear bay floor - that sucker should hold!

Now to attack the main gear legs with brass rod, rather fix it now then after it collapses when finished!!


I'm not weighting it at all, I intend to mount it to an Eduard PSP board three brass rod pins Ca glued into drilled holes in each wheel.

http://www.eduard.com/store/Eduard/Allied-Airfield-with-PSP-cover-300x400-1-48.html?cur=2&force_sid=47d4ea78382151c5962467b072c4acf2&listtype=search&searchparam=8804




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